38 messages · last: John Arriola, 2026-10-06 20:19
Only the Futurola blunt-cone thread moved, and only administratively. John Arriola nudged on Oct 6 to confirm his Sept 30 email landed (set-up cost covers the paper only; cone conversion and custom branding are charged separately; the paper volume is large enough that they recommend consuming it within a year before it degrades). Andrew confirmed receipt the same day, acknowledged the paper cost and the one-year stock-life caveat, and told John the material fee has been passed to the client with no response yet. John said he'd stand by and asked to be kept posted. No new quotes, samples, or documents; the distributor program thread was quiet this week.
Only one thread moved this week, all on the Futurola blunt cone alternative. On Sept 28 we told John the client wants to stay with tea leaf, not hemp, which kills the no-dye hemp wrap cone workaround he proposed. On Sept 30 John came back with detail on the ~$100k undyed paper set-up: that figure covers the paper only — cones and any custom branding are billed separately — and Custom Cones recommends consuming the paper within a year before it degrades. He asked whether that's enough info to proceed. Still missing: the revised MOQ behind the undyed paper, cone/branding pricing on top of it, and confirmation that the current dyes are 100% natural. Nothing new on the distributor program this week.
Only the dye/undyed thread moved this week, and slowly. After Andrew's 9/22 note spelling out the client's asks — a true dyed vs. undyed product comparison, isolation of the dyes used with confirmation that all ingredients are "100% Natural" (not just "food-grade/food-safe"), and full terms plus adjusted MOQs behind the ~$100k paper set-up fee — John replied the same day that he had kicked it to his team. On 9/25 he came back with a workaround rather than answers: Custom Cones' standard hemp wrap cones (half-gram blunt cones, per their website) contain no dye at all, and he asked whether the client would consider trying those instead. No pricing, MOQs, ingredient statement, or $100k terms have been provided yet. The ball is now with us to take the undyed hemp wrap option to the client, while all four of John's outstanding deliverables remain open. Nothing new on the distributor program this week.
Movement was all on the dye question and the 84/26 reseller pricing. On Sep 14 John confirmed unbranded 84/26 reseller pricing at 30,000 = $0.28/cone and 50,000 = $0.25/cone, and initially believed the tea leaf blunts contained no dyes. After we pointed to André's Sep 2 ingredient list showing "Food Coloring," John reversed on Sep 15 and confirmed color is added; he is still checking whether the dye ingredients are 100% natural. On Sep 16 he came back that the factory says undyed paper may be possible, but it would carry a ~$100k cost for the paper alone and a very high MOQ — likely a non-starter for the client. John has asked us what specifically concerns the client about the dye, and that question is unanswered as of week's end. No samples, POs, or documents moved this week.
Only the CO-202696 tea leaf wrap thread moved, all on Sept 2. We confirmed to John Arriola that the 200-pc 84/26 chamomile tea leaf samples are with the client for testing and that the client wants a complete ingredients list (BOM). John looped in André Bayard, Compliance Manager, who sent the shareable raw-material list for the Tea Leaf Wraps (chamomile, cacao, cellulose, natural binder, food coloring, water, vanilla, glycerin, potassium sorbate). We asked whether the materials had ever been third-party tested, and André attached recent COAs for the wrap, which we said we'd review. We told John we're set for now; he is standing by for client test feedback. No movement on the distributor program (collateral, standard terms, 5,000-unit tier, newsletter add) this week.
Quiet week with a single automated update: Custom Cones USA sent an outbound shipment notification for CO-202696 on Aug 25, confirming the 200-pc 84/26 chamomile tea leaf sample run shipped via UPS Ground under tracking 1Z1973H80335169486. That's about a week later than the previously expected week-of-Aug-17 arrival, so delivery now lands late in the week of Aug 24 / early the following week. No movement on the distributor program — the collateral/standard terms, newsletter add, and the pricing confirmation for the custom 84/26 length (5,000-unit tier, cartons per case) all remain outstanding with no response from their side.
Only movement this week was on the CO-202696 sample run. Andrew chased John on Aug 12 for an ETA, and John confirmed the 200-pc 84/26 chamomile tea leaf sample order has shipped, with delivery expected the following week (week of Aug 17) — well ahead of the original 3–4 week lead time. John said he'd notify us when it's on its way, but no tracking number or carrier detail was provided. No progress on the distributor program (collateral/standard terms, 5,000-unit tier, cartons per case, newsletter add) — that thread stayed silent.
Quiet week — one open spec question got answered. John Arriola (VP BizDev) came back after a delay on the CO-202696 order approval thread and confirmed the tea leaf wraps are chamomile; Andrew acknowledged and closed the question. Our written "Approved" for the 200-pc 84/26 tea leaf sample run was already on record from July 22, so the order is cleared for production and we're now purely waiting on Custom Cones USA to produce and ship within the quoted 3–4 week lead time. No movement on the distributor program (collateral/standard terms, newsletter add, or the 84/26-specific pricing confirmation with a 5,000-unit tier and cartons-per-case).
The 84/26 unbranded tea-leaf mock-up moved from review to a sample order this week. After John's follow-ups, Andrew confirmed the client wants to test physical samples; John quoted a 3–4 week lead time (accepted) and Andrew requested ~200 pcs (approx. 40 per grow, soft number) for testing. John had the team approve the new SKU and generated order approval form CO-202696, which Custom Cones sent Wednesday 7/22 — it needs a written "Approved" reply from us before production starts, and post-approval changes carry a $150 fee. John also confirmed country of origin: wraps are made in Brazil, everything is rolled in Indonesia, which Andrew confirmed works for the client. Distributor-program items (collateral/standard terms, newsletter add, 5,000-unit tier and cartons-per-case pricing confirmation) saw no movement. Stephanie Douthitt is out of office 7/21–7/28.
Custom Cones USA came off a quiet stretch and moved on both fronts. John Arriola confirmed the sample shipment went out — the variety pack plus the 36 tea-leaf blunt cones — under UPS tracking 1Z1G486V0317810699, with the understanding that if the 36 aren't adequate we can order a single full box in final packaging. He also sent distributor tiered pricing for the 84mm tea leaf: $0.33 at 10,000, $0.29 at 20,000, $0.24 at 100,000 — but no 5,000-unit tier and no confirmation on the 400 cones/carton question. Andrew pushed to get samples of the 84/26 (Futurola-matching) size into the testing round; John said he needs to create a new SKU and would follow up with mock-ups. On 7/16 the mock-up landed: reference K2R1-Mock-Up-0715264828-84mm_26mm – Tea Leaf – unbranded, delivered via SharePoint with a catalog link, and flagged [Action Required] — they're waiting on our feedback, revisions, or a green light to enter the production cycle. Distributor program collateral and the newsletter add are still outstanding.
Movement was all on the tea-leaf blunt/Futurola alternative track. Andrew pushed on sample status (photos aren't reliable for color matching) and John confirmed he has entered a sample request — a variety pack including custom crutch examples to show brandability, with 36 (3 dozen) tea-leaf blunt cones going to the Monarch Packaging Ltd. address in Hazleton, PA. John cautioned the 36 loose units won't arrive in final packaging and recommends buying 1 full box if we want complete testing. On sizing, Andrew asked for 86mm (up from the 84mm previously discussed); John confirmed Custom Cones can produce the custom measurement — 5–6 weeks unbranded, 6–8 weeks branded — with a 5,000-unit MOQ for custom lengths. No pricing was quoted for the custom length, and the distributor program collateral John promised two weeks ago still hasn't arrived.
Reopened the Custom Cones USA relationship under Monarch Packaging. Andrew reintroduced himself on 6/29 and John Arriola (VP BizDev) came back same day with distributor terms: dropship stock cones at a blanket $0.058/cone, and 10–15% margin on custom branded cones with a 1,600-unit MOQ. For the client shopping alternatives to Futurola 84x26mm blunt cones, John pointed to their 109mm x 26mm tea-leaf pre-rolled blunt (800/case, cheaper than Futurola) and an 84mm hybrid green hemp wrap (900/box); Andrew flagged the hybrid wrap as a different material and asked for something matching the Futurola reference, plus the 84mm size alongside the 109mm. On 7/2 John confirmed the tea-leaf blunt uses the same paper as Futurola, clarified that his earlier 'offers' meant samples (not just marketing emails), and offered to send samples plus product photos — proposing to start with cones, blunts and pop-top tubes. No formal distributor program document has been shared yet. Ball is in our court to confirm the photo/sample scope.